UBL LCSC MinutesUBL LCSC MinutesAttendees: Jessica Glace, Sally Chan, Michael Grimley, Lisa Seaburg, Bill Meadows, Tim McGrath, Joe Chuisano, Debbie Quezadaz, Eve Maler, Ray Seddigh (joined late)
Introduction:
1. Welcome from Joint Chairs
2. - 5. Discussion of Containership papers, written and presented as email this week.
Discussion Points:
This was a lively and fast moving discussion, much to fast to record every comment. Please read through realizing that there is much more information and depth to this discussion. You can use the papers as the foundation, also in email tonight there will be another attempt to paraphrase this.
Eve's discussed her paper, going through it section by section explaining the detail.
Lisa: I have found as the editor of the spreadsheet that the tool (Excel spreadsheet) is very limiting and its hard to find a way to build the levels. So, my frustration is a tool based one.
Jessica: Could we migrate to developing our library in XML instead of the spreadsheet?
Tim: We had tried that, the problem we had was 1) it didn't promote reusability, because things had to be replicated. 2) tools weren't terribly flexible.
A discussion about developing in XML went on and it was decided that this should be given to the Tools and Techniques SC.
Eve: Bill brought forward some very interesting thoughts and issues from his critic of my paper. He immediately found that if you start to add "unlike" items to the list of "like" items, then you are breaking our own rule.
Tim: Are we all comfortable with the definition of list containers and the value that they have?
Eve and Tim discussed the way the Perl script would automatically add containers for these lists of like containers. Also, how would you add extensions to these lists and what do they then become. Eve gave an example.
Tim: You seem to be looking for a container or device (struture) which will enable you to show a single instance of information that would otherwise repeat, you want to show ten line items and one record of something that applies to all ten line items.
Eve: When you extend you can only extend something at the end, although we could look further into this.
Sally: I do think we do need the ability to extend elements. For example, dates and shipping locations on line items.
Discussion of Tim's paper went on mostly between Tim and Eve.
Eve: in the old way of using the elements for processing, is no longer necessary.
Tim: If we provide the "list of" container, they can be used instead of individual ones, you access as a group.
Everytime we have a 0..n we need to have a "list of" container around it, but what happens when you only have 1.
Tim: Maybe we are presenting this the wrong way around. We should discuss the logical grouping discussion first.
Eve: After all this discussion, the most useful thing is to raise the awareness of the modelers, that some things should consider that ABIE's need their own grouping.
Tim: The customization may be handled another way.
Eve: Creating containers for customization may not be as valuable as I first thought.
Containership for other types
6. Work Plan
Action Item for Tim, paraphrase todays discussion for tomorrow's call.
Eve, send out agenda for tomorrow's call.
Ray needs to send in his write up on containers.
7. Other business - None
8. Next Meeting (tomorrow)